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. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show know is is really m
a deal. anti-tax champion grover norquist last night told me he's keeping republicans to the no tax increase pledge they made decades ago. but should his party back away from that promise? joining me in his first interview since the election, reince priebus, chairman of the republican national committee. welcome back, mr. priebus. how are you? >> doing great, piers. how are you? >> you have been keeping your head below the paraput since the shellacking you guys took in the election. what is your reaction to the pretty poor defeat? >> well, i think that we got to look at everything that we're doing. i think that's what we have to do. i don't think you can draw any quick conclusions other than the fact that we lost and we know that. but i think in order to get back in the game, you've got to look at and do a full autopsy of what happened, what we did well, what we didn't do well, what we can do better in the next year with two governors' races coming up and two years later, then four years from now. so what we're going to do is we want to bring everyone together. leaders from across t
grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> susan rice back for more on capitol hill with failing to persuade more republican senators. >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. i think it will be premature for me to reach that judgment now. >> i would just ask the president to step back. >> senate republican kelly ayotte, who has threatened to block a rice nomination, joins us ahead. and powerball fever sweeping the nation. the jackpot now jumps to $500 million. the second
pledge created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. (thunder clashes) the two most terrifying words a republican can hear other than "buenos dias." (laughter and applause) but now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- oh, what's his name? (laughter) i got it, don't help me, don't help me. rip flambe. (laughter) no, no, that's my personal train trainer. (laughter) no, the point is conservatives are jumping ship. >> i want to buy down debt and cut rates that create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve -- when i'm sworn in this january. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i was in congress in 1941 i would have signed the -- supported a declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> stephen: you heard it, folks. congressman peter king is not only raising your taxes, he's surren
country first. remember that, mccain? >> bill: now it is grover norquist. >> it is more than a slogan. grover norquist seems to take precedent. patty says also in the chat room, the republicans remind me of a boyfriend that you leave because he was a jerk and then he does every jerk thing possible because you denied him. >> bill: that sounds like lindsey graham to me. by the way i thought jay carney had a great point on this why isn't the president meeting with these republicans? why is he wasting time talking to real people? jay carney said let him say it. >> only inside the beltway do people think that -- sitting in a room for photo spray will solve necessarily problems. the work has to be done and that work is being done. >> bill: yeah, right. sitting around with the photo spray, the journalists -- the reporter's short hand for letting the cameras come in and get a picture of everyone and think that accomplishes something, it doesn't. it is a waste of time. any time spent with john boehner and eric cantor and
the road to tout his tax plan. i will speak with lobbyist grover norquist and senator dick durbin about what hangs in the balance next. >>> a small town governor stood up to violence and vowed to keep fighting, but now her dead body has been found. her story when "ac 360" continues. >>> if you department get enough of campaign 2012, stay tuned. we learn that the president will push plan to raise taxes on income above a quarter million dollars a year. he'll be speaking friday at a factory in pennsylvania. some republicans are hinting to limiting deductions even if it means breaking the pledge that the lobbyist grover norquist has been lobbying against for years. joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same,
hold grover norquist and his tax pledge held on republicans may be loosening. frank bruni thinks republicans devolved into dummies and nor west was their ventriloquist. not everyone saw norquist as the cause of the problem. defending him truth is that mr. norquist doesn't have such power. the voters do. he had the wit to channel the electorate's limited government beliefs into a single issue enforcement mechanism. long-time ally of norquist, jack abramoff who joins me in a moment said simply, news of grover's demise is premature. but in recent interviews, norquist has begun to sound like a petulant leader on the way out. >> the pledge is not for l.i.e. everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public c
want to be sure somebody loses. and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord's sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat for you re-election by throwing some coo-coo from the left or right on you and if that means more than your country when it's extremity patriots instead of panderer, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> tonight chris matthews delivers your daily dose of political analysis from the nation's capital. don't miss hardball with chris matthews weekdays at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern only on msnbc, the place for politics. >>> elsewhere on the hill, u.n. ambassador susan rice spent her day behind closed doors explaining statements she made back this september about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. however as brian mooar reports, her defense failed to convince her republican critics. >> reporter: embattled u.n. ambassador susan rice went to capitol hill to explain what they knew and now knows about the deadly attack on t
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who has talked about breaking the grover norquist pledge on taxes. also, this morning, ceo's meeting with president obama yesterday, business leaders meeting with republicans as well. toth sides gathering ceo's talk about what they would like to see in the fiscal cliff tops. and in the washington post editorial -- also, "usa today" says -- you can look it up on president obama's budget page 465 that it's added to the deficit, they say, and it needs to be part of the deficit. the opposing view of durban says social security is not in a crisis. back to our question for our viewers. how would you fix your school system? david in kansas, an educator, republican line. caller: i just want to say i am an educator. i'm not republican. i would make education a completely free market good. i would get rid of compulsory school attendance. --would get rid of taxation a i think you need a wall that separates the government and education, just like we have a separation between government and religion. host: ok. june in wisconsin, independent. caller: hi. you know, the baby boomers got the last exc
of six couldn't get it done. how are the people going to get it done? we have grover norquist saying all the people allegedly are going to violate their pledge, only lindsey graham said yes, we'll violate it. the rest of them are waiting for democrats to come up. >> bob: is there a way to been a grover norquist's name from the show? >> why? >> dana: let me ask you about the road show. president obama goes out and talks about raising taxes on the rich. there is a cob stitch whensy in america says it's the right thing to do. boehner says if we had more re-knew we'll get in a different way. we think raising rates hurts the economy and we'll reduce the deductions to get the same place. but with president obama's road show he doesn't answer the question he brought up in 2010. what are you going to do about entitlements and how would you make it better? i don't think raising retirement age will solve the problem. >> brian: my head will explode. we keep saying we have to balance the budget. the math doesn't add up. number two, go in and roll up the shres and get it done behind closed doors. if
's interesting is with grover norquist and the anti-tax pledge, over 90% of republicans have signed that pledge, but so many are now speaking out about it. this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted?
worked for john mccain. you hang out with eric cantor. grover norquist is your tomorrow. these are your pals. [laughter] >> i hang with an interesting bunch. >> first, is it fun? and secondly, am i wrong that we're in -- i agree with what a lot of what michael is trying to take us, but i, as a realist to use to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is not as i hope it might be. i guess my question is to you, do you believe given the people you know that there's a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to reactive response? because of their inability to get along with the guys in the white house, and gals? >> we just don't get along but that's been true for a long time so how do you get past that? we have to go back to a different kind of leadership, the kindly with ronald reagan, with bill clinton, where presidential leadership meant here's what america needs. i will send this bill, say to the congress. what that does for the congress is against them air cover. they can say we don't want to do this. the president -- >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton t
the hell grover norquist is. >> and why did his dad name him grover. >> it's a boy named sue kind of thing. >> stephanie: you know my fact checking skills. >> i read this, too in. >> cenk: it's questionable at this point. >> you're looking at me to fact check your fact check. i screwed up as much as anybody here. >> stephanie: the point is, i don't know if the story is true, but when he was a kid his dad also a douche. >> yes. >> stephanie: bought him an ice-cream cone and then took several large bites out of it and then said, this is what the government does. maybe that's why the douche didn't fall far from the bag as john fugalsang would say. [ baby crying ] >> stephanie: so he was anti-big government. >> i'll get back at him. i'll show him. i'm going to out douche daddy. nikki in chicago. welcome. >> caller: hey mama, how are you. >> stephanie: good, go ahead. >> caller: i just want to rebut what sue from rockville said about christian charities. they are not all anti-gay. there are some good ones out there. >> stephanie: nikki, i had one question, and funny i wish i had asked the guy a
grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult. but with each new republican disavowingi grover norquist, th chance of a deal rises sharply. >> apparently wall street is not as optimistic. stocks dipped immediately. the dow dipped 9 poi89 points. >>> house republicans have announced their recommendations on who will claire the committees. and they love white old men. there is not a single woman among the 19 members that speaker skrjohn boehner recommed yesterday. not one woman. although chairs for the ethics and house administration committees have yet to be decided. that would make sense. on the other side of the aisle, house democrats have not ounced their recommendations. politico says maxine waters has been recommended for the financial services committee who was recently cleared of ethics charges. >> bob dole recovering this morning after routine surgery. a spokesperson says the former republican presidential candidate is doing well and plans to le
for tax reform, grover norquist. he is the person who got some members of congress to sign a pledge to not sign taxes. a number of republicans said they are willing to vote for a tax increase. this is just under an hour. >> thank you for coming out. two weeks in a row, thank you very much for coming out and we will have another one next wednesday and we appreciate you being here. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to
's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis:los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets are cultu cultura biased. >> against what, surfers? >> 9-9-9 is how
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attacks it or the recession it might trigger but grover norquist, a frequent guest year. the nti-tax pledge many republicans signed. with more on this republican senator mike lee of uth. always good to see you. thank you for coming on. a growing number of republican senators who are dissing themselves from grover. take aook at this. the list goes on and on. will you back away from grov and his pledge? >> the plege i made regarding taxes to that have to do with any one individual. what i'd made for my constituents, the voters of utah who elected me in part because i was willing to acknowledge of washington has a spending problem, far more than a revenue problem. voters in utah recognize the fact that when you raise taxes which economic growth. that is what we need t least right now. we need new growth, new jobs, and that is why i'm shying away from a tax increase. gerri: it's interesting because democrats keep pushing grover into the spotlight making him a bogyman. >> an obstacle standing beyond, plan -- congress and compromise. for years norquist has believe lawmakers willing to
in congress signed a no tax pledge created by americans for tax reform chair, grover norquist. now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? i got it. don't help me. don't help me. rip flaumbe. >> we recently reported "the on june" satire newspaper named north korean leader kim jong un the sexiest man alive. apparently the joke was lost on china's communist party newspaper. they ended up running a 55-page spread of the leader congratulating him for the title. you can understand how that can be confusing, you know, his fashion sense. >> because i'm gullible? >> a little bit of everything. come on. you've got to have found with it. >> the "two and a half men" with thing, should we believe the video where he was live or the pr statement? >> i think we should believe he makes $350,000 an episode and that's enough said. >>> this is from care 11 news in minneapolis, where a wave of baby blue swept through a maternity ward for three days. delivery room doctors shouted it's a boy 19 consecutive times between 5:00 p.m. saturday and 7:30 a.m
and not to a washington lobbyist named grover norquist. that is politically courageous. many have already said this. i respect them so much for it. as more do, it will create an environment for us to reach an agreement. we need the same willingness to step 4 on the left to be able to meet in this room at the table or wherever the room maybe and to come to an agreement that will lead us forward. one thing i am hoping for is if we can reach an agreement, in principle before the end of the year, then implement it, i believe this is what many have been waiting for to launch a more spirited recovery. if we get this done, if we have a credible $4 trillion deficit reduction plan signed and sealed, signed by the president, what does that say to the rest of the world? many economies in europe and other places are struggling, but ours will be the strongest in the world in terms of the future. it takes a lot of hard work but it is worth the effort. all will prosper. saturday night, my wife and i went to see a movie by spielberg. about another gentleman who lived in illinois for a while named abraham lincoln. tow
of this whole debate is a man named grover norquist. did you sign the grover pledge? >> no, i did not. i was a governor for ten years. i've got a long track record of not only holding the line on taxes but reducing taxes. and i believe that we have too much -- at the national level, too much taxation, too much regulation but, no, i did not sign the pledge. >> let me ask you about the idea that revenues are on the table as the speaker has said. i'm curious what that really means. does that signal a willingness on the part of the gop to see some people's taxes go up, or does it mean that the revenue increases will derive from economic growth and -- >> speaker boehner and republicans are reaching out to the administration. speaker boehner has said we'll put revenue on the table, not through higher tax rates but through closing loopholes and limiting deductions. that accomplishes exactly what the administration has demanded. >> but that means somebody's taxes will go up. >> sure. >> if you close loopholes an deductions. >> we'll make sure rates don't go up so you don't impact small businesse
entitlement problem. >> grover norquist talks about -- to be fair, he put a lot of republicans in a tough spot. you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
waste. neil: you know closing loopholes and that. grover moriest said that is a -- norquist said that is a tax hike, he is so over. neil: why is he over? >> it is not his job to do that. neil: a lot of people rip this guy a new one. >> it makes us -- >> he is just holding politicians account able, if you are closing loopholes. cut somewhere else, what makes that an out landish view. >> is it sounds strange for us to have a an ar kayicic -- a pl. neil: they go off the reservation and get wacky >> it does not sound right, we need a new approach to this thank y grover for your time but people need individual responsibility. neil: you think it is now that politically correct thing to do to cut -- >> not cave but we do need to cut across the board. neil: do you agree. >> no, not, it is every american's job to holder politician responsibility up there only time we balanced budget in last 17 years is when we had more revenues durings.com boom, it was not because of the cutting spend, we have not been cutting spending, we have washington run amuck, and i don't care if it is grover or me
reform president grover norquist. reno about a lot, but a growing list of republicans in going after him. they want to raise taxes. we will talk with them about that. the markets, the economy. pulitzer prize-winning journalist among our guests. we will be right back. who went. lou: on the morning of march over third 2009 troops stationed in a combat outpost located at the bottom of three steep mountains in afghanistan were attacked by 400 insurgents one. my next guest takes a look what happened and her rogue actions of our soldiers. an untold story of american power. >> is nice to see you in. lou: i want to believe, as a white house correspondent for the last thing people five policy will be bringing a story from afghanistan. >> i was reporting from the comfort of the north lawn, the physis and the pentagon and a warehouse and it troops surged numbers. in new one and was about more of them while was reporting on. lou: your focus on this particular panel who, he targe of more than 225 individuals when. >> i work done for two and a half years in new will learn. it was a big project. every
they believe that the radical democrats believe that the republicans aren't controlled by some guy named grover norquist. republicans signed a pledge that they won't vote for tax increases that are needed to forge a compromise. in this issue i have to admit that i grow less confident by the day. we have heard harry reid say there has been less progress in the talks. it looked to be a benign session. we have been reading how the republicans were open to a deal that includes revenue increases. we aren't reading about how the tea party go against taxes when leadership agrees to it. i'm sure they don't record the presidential election as a referendum to anything. referendum to anything. they vote for the betrayal of their own beliefs. because the tax increases would amount to a de facto destruction of their word not to raise taxes. in other words, let's say you are a hard line democrat. you get higher taxes for the rich. the hard line democrats don't care about the stock market. they probably think that the republicans own stocks anyway. many of the hard liners want a smaller defense budget. here i
a dark day for our fors in afghanistan. coming up tomorrow, americans for tax reform president grover norquist. reno about a lot, but a growing list of republicans in going after him. they want to raise taxes. we will talk with them about that. the markets, the economy. pulitzer prize-winning journalist among our guests. journalist among our guests. we will be right back. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. who went. lou: on the morning of march over third 2009 troops stationed in a combat outpost located at the bottom of three steep mountains in afghanistan were attacked by 400 insurgents o
. remember that? it's a win-win to go over the clip. then you don't break the grover norquist pledge to raise taxes. which is why it's time to prepare for the failure of december talks. maybe we need the hardships main street middle class to become so clear that a compromise that abandons cherished principles may be the only way to avoid a recession, which would give other candidates a chance to rise up and take your seat in congress. hence why i'm not back with the 10% solution, a solution like how the dreaded tarp got through congress, so-called bank bailout. 10% after tarp was first rejected and congress people, constituents who own stock, people who can afford to contribute to campaigns, we better do some compromising. that could happen again if we don't get a deal by year end. it comes down to the final weeks of the year when it's clear we don't have a deal, some will sell their stock economically might save a ton taxes versus the 2013 tax code. the jobless claims that come out at 8:30, right now they aren't going up much because they aren't seeing lots of firings and they aren't going d
technically that goes against grover norquist's pledge. >> well, we've already put a plan out in the budget committee. as you said, i am a part of that budget committee. and we put out the fundamentals of that, where we would have a plan where we would have pro-growth tax reform, and that means something fairer, flatter and simpler, and a portion of that is to look at the deductions that right now really do benefit those in the upper income, and that we're willing to look at those, and to make sure that what we do does bring in more revenue by robust economy. >> and it wouldn't be a violation of a sort of a marriage vow to grover norquist. he has said that violating his pledge is somehow akin to, you know, violating your marriage vows. you don't -- your deal is with your constituents, not with grover norquist? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> i want to talk a little bit about the debt ceiling because this is coming into play here. grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling mus
it. we have a breakfast next wednesday, bob woodward and senator marco rubio, grover norquist, thank you. [applause] ♪ >> the u.s. senate dabbles in today about an hour from now at 10:00 eastern and today they will continue working on legislation dealing with equal rights for persons with disabilities. majority ritter harry reid hopes the senate to work, 2013 defense program. off of the 4 u.s. ambassador susan rice meet with republican senators discussing the september attack on the consulate in benghazi, libya and she will talk with susan collins and senator bob corker. yesterday she sat down with senator mccain, gramm and ayat. senator mccain told reporters the information she gave the american people was incorrect, but a spontaneous demonstration triggered by hateful video. it was not and there was compelling evidence that the time that was certainly not the case. the house transportation and infrastructure committee is holding at hearing on amtrak's restructuring plans. the committee will hear from the inspector general and amtrak's president and representative from the united
to get their own troops in line to make a deal, if they are going to pledge more allegiance to grover norquist than to
indication, we'll give in on spending. oh, my pledge to grover norquist doesn't mean anything more. >> i don't believe in pledges anyway. you should pledge to uphold the constitution, and we should be able to trust our elected leaders to make decisions based on facts and -- >> sean: did one republican run on raising revenue? >> no -- well, actually i don't know if that's true. >> i don't know one. >> why are we talking about the republicans when we should be talking about the conservative democrats who ran senate seats who ran on a campaign against what president obama is talking about? why not talk about them? in 201047 democratic senators voted with president obama in order to extend the bush cuts. >> sean: the republicans, the ones signaling they're giving in, and the democrats, lock solid, they're not moving, as of now. i'm trying to reinforce -- >> i would just leave the republicans and focus on the democrats. what are they going to do? what is their plan. >> sean: you guys beat up on me. >> because we know we cannot afford this. we know that if you raise taxes on the rich, everybody ma
is for republicans to step out and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist and democrats are going to have to do things about entitlements that they'll get criticized on the left. >> cenk: they're going to seem so big and grand taking criticism for the left. those people all just voted for you, right? they are putting medicare and medicaid on the chopping block. they've been dying to do it all along. they ran a campaign about romney would cult medicare. they're going to cult medicare. romney would have, maybe more, but they're going to cut it. it gets worse. how about tax cuts. sit down please. before you watch this clip, sit down, otherwise you're going to fall down. >> the immediate question of the tax cuts, we want to extend them for most people but we want to engage in the process of tax reform that would produce lower rates, even potentially for the wealthiest. >> cenk: you didn't hear that wrong. not higher rates for the wealthiest lower rates for the wealthiest! lower rates! cut taxes for the wealthiest! i'm glad we had an election, guys. the whole point of the election was to raise
to make a deal, if they are going to pledge more allegiance to grover norquist than to the oath of office and we do have a downturnn
to grover norquist than to the oath of office and we do have a
that prevented some from paying taxes. grover norquist today would look at that as a retreat a violation of a pledge. but your dad's point was very brother found he said i'm not trying to say hike taxes but make sure that everyone, everyone, everyone pays their fair share. would doing that today, bringing in allowances would it have the same effect? >>guest: many are willing to bring not allowance but they want something happening on the other side. you want to see the spending cuts take place. medicare is going up. my wife just got a note in the mail from the insurance provider, her health care is going up 15.1 percent after blue cross in california because they have a monopoly in california. we are told obamacare would lessen everything but it is going up for everyone. >>neil: but you would compromise on this if you got the spending cuts? >>guest: if you got the spending cuts, but you don't do anything until the hit the spending cuts, they owe my dollar $3 in spending cuts and george bush they owe him $2 spending cuts. i tell the republicans, if you buy into raising taxes first you wil
the no taxes pledge created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norqui norquist, the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos diaz. but now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? don't help me. don't help me. rip flambe -- no, that's my personal trainer. >> all right. good morning. it's wednesday, november 28th. look at this live look at rockefeller plaza. it is just lit up. gorgeous. >> you know what happens tonight? >> oh, yes, the big tree lighting. >> big commerce -- >> exciting for all the children. >> all right. welcome to "morning joe." >> mike, do you think that's going to whip people into a buying frenzy -- >> it's comcastic. >> a five-year running joke. >> i guess he wasn't paying attention. >> yes. >> national affairs editor for "new york" magazine. john heilemann and andrea mitchell. >> a lot of people say, i'm in trouble. and they've got these little arm bands now, wwjd. what would joe do? so what do i say? you've seen those, wwjd. >> everywhere. >> i say make a mistake, just step
whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat you for re-election by throwing some cuckoo from the left or from the right. if that means more than your country, it means patriots instead of panderers, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> what do you make of speaker boehner? i sort of like boehner personally. he seems he's a jack lemmon character in the movies. he's always under assault. a middle class guy under assault, crying a lot. i don't know what the purpose of that is. i get the feeling he would like to deal, but he has this new constraint. not just the 218 votes to get a majority in the house. there has to be a majority of the republicans in the house and then a majority of the house. he wants to get that first majority -- is that a reasonable demand that he has to deliver? i've seen politicians, you and i know this over the years, they have bucked the majority in their own caucus, and they have gotten through deals th
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